Author Topic: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!  (Read 6273 times)

Kimsim

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 04:29:54 pm »
You are absolutely right.

foreignerfan1968

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2013, 04:38:03 pm »
The OP makes some valid points but he also has issues.

Kim you stated this "Put Lou on your stereo, close your eyes and listen.  Now play the same song sung by Kelly and close your eyes and listen - I bet you can hardly tell the difference between them.

You would lose that bet if you made it with me or the many out there that agree with me. Kelly is solid but doesnt have near the range Lou had or even has presently. Kelly is very talented.

I consider true music fans to be people who appreciate the process of music making.

Who wrote most of Foreigners music? Mick and Lou.

Who brought more to making them successful? They both wrote most of the music, Mick wrote a little more. But Foreigner garnered fame because of Lou's vocals. Not because of micks run of the mill guitar playing. Lets just say he's no Stevie Vai or Jimmy Page. Let alone a shredder. He's average.

Lou was and still is a legend. He does have problems singing songs like Jukebox Hero ,Urgent and Cold as Ice. But he still belts out all the others. And the brain tumour alone should should shut up the kids that say he cant sing anymore. But it doesnt, the kids still spew stupidity.

My point is this. Kelly though very talented isnt Foreigner. He's a hired hand just like Johnny Edwards was. Though Kelly is much better than JE. But Kelly hasnt wrote any classic Foreigner songs. All he does is get paid (and not very much by the way) to do his best to sound like Lou and true Foreigner. Though talented he doesnt come close to true Foreigner. Not even close. Trust your ears and not your heart.

Mick has dragged the Foreigner name through the mud for the last decade plus. Thats a fact only a child could argue against.

Yes Lou has quit the band twice I believe, maybe 3 times and Mick has the right to do what he wants considering he paid the $500 to own the name. Doesnt mean he should drag the name through the mud. Just because Lou had enough of your bs Mick it doesnt mean you need to lower your standards. And he has

I respect that we all have our opinions. But that doesnt mean I have to respect Brittney Spears fans or Nikki Menage fans, oe even wannabe Foreigner fans

I dont know one adult that approves of what Mick has done to the name Foreigner.

I do know dozens that agree Lou should own the name.

Sorry for thinking you were a man.
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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2013, 06:14:03 pm »
I respect everybody's right to post their opinion.  If people don't like the current lineup or feel it's not the real Foreigner, that's perfectly fine to state that.  Everybody should post their opinions whether it's positive or negative. That's what the boards are for.  Providing it's not all out bashing of the band or it's members. What I don't respect is the OP who did nothing but take cheap shots at members of this board because he felt he wasn't getting enough attention here. 
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Kimsim

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2013, 04:52:29 pm »
I didn't know how deep the tension between Mick and Lou actually ran.  Over here in Australia all I heard was that they had a minor disagreement and Lou left and came back a couple of times and then Lou became ill and couldn't return. Obviously there was so much more involved and I thank you for filling me in. It's very difficult when you live so far away to get the true story.

 I am sorry I upset you all with my Kelly comments but what I was trying to get at is he sings the songs in the same style without changing them. I can't stand some of these new singers who change peoples songs so much and put all the vocal aerobics into them, you can't even tell what they are suppose to be singing and I am thankful to Kelly for not doing that.

I watched Mick and Lou perform at the awards night and really enjoyed it.

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 05:03:17 pm »
There's nothing to be sorry about.   You are right.  I can hardly tell the difference.  It's very subtle. 

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2013, 06:37:41 pm »
Not upset whatsoever Kim. Just thought it was a very silly comment to make.

I'll give you some of the reasons Lou Gramm quit Foreigner.

1)Mick is/was an aisshole. Simple research will show you what I mean. He's never been a very likeable bloke.

2)In regards to song writing credits Lou and Mick have always worked things out except for "I want to know what love is".  Lou gave Mick 60% credit and took 40% for himself. Mick countered with 95% to himself and 5% to Lou. And basically forced Lou to take it. Not cool whatsoever considering Lou has a very strong reputation as being fair.

3)Then when Lou went through his health issues Mick didnt give a sht. He forced Lou to go on tour even though doctors said not to. Mick never once tried to give Lou any support  on this issue.

4) Lou (in my opinion) and most true Foreigner fans dont like what Mick has done to the band over the last dozen or so years and before. Dismantling the band numerous times. Bringing in lousy singers like Johnny Edwards and Kelly trying to sound like Lou. Not cool.

I'm sure I left out other facts

Again not upset with you or anyone else at all. Just stick to the facts please

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Tatjana

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2013, 11:01:32 pm »
I have sworn to myself not to get involved into any of these discussions again, however, I feel inclined to throw in a few lines.

foreignerfan1968:

Where do you get your „facts“ from?
A few 100 years ago people thought the earth was a flat disk and it was a “fact” back then.  ;)

You have the right to have your opinion but if I were you I would be more careful with the words you use.  You are just spreading gossip that most of us have already heard anyways and you are coming here to sell this gossip as if it would  be the Gospel’s Truth.

I am not commenting on the Lou/Kelly-issue because everybody who reads the board frequently knows my opinion and I’m not going to beat a dead horse.

I would just like to tell you one thing: I am also able to hear the difference between Mick and any other guitar player who plays classic Foreigner hits because Mick has a very distinctive style to play and it was also his gnarly style that shaped the sound of the band.

Besides, you have stated in another topic that Lou has about 70 percent of his singing capability back. I fear 70 percent is not enough to belt out classic Foreigner tunes.

I also disagree with you saying that Mick dragged the Foreigner name in the mud. It is just the opposite. Kelly brought new life to the songs and you can ask die-hard Foreigner fans about this topic and they all agree about this.

And yes, I am adult (for most of the time at least ;)) and I’m an old school Foreigner fan.

Embrace life folks, value what you have and don’t sweat the small stuff. Because it is just that: Small stuff.

Cheers,

Tatjana :)

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2013, 03:30:16 am »
Oh Owen aka Foreignerfan 1968....As hard as you try, you'll give yourself away with certain traits. In order to create the illusion, you really need someone to post your thoughts, with their mannerisms!!

Just a couple thoughts here folks:
Lou did leave and Mick simply wanted to carry on. Kelly just simply applied to a vacant position. Lets not lose sight of that!
Look, am I excited about all the Foreigner turnover through the years? Not really, but what are you going to do!
Mick and Lou have given me so many memories and so much joy with their music, how could I possibly not support these guys on all levels. They are the soundtrack to my life. And for the record, there is no greater Lou Gramm fan then I.

As for the current Foreigner regime respecting Lou, to which I read in an earlier post. These people are professional musicians and believe me, have the utmost respect for Lou and are very big fans.
I believe Tom Gimbel once said when he heard Lou sing up close and personal, his knees went weak. I'm pretty certain I'm quoting him.

The future of Foreigner is ????????? So lets just embrace it for whatever it's worth.

Peace,
Shadow

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2013, 03:51:56 am »
Great write-up, Tatjana!
Regarding Foreignerfan1968 latest post: I'm pretty sure these details come from Lou's book.

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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2013, 02:42:26 pm »
I'm sorry if the facts hurt. We all have our opinions but the facts will always remain facts. Some of you really do need to seek help. Along with Star rider or whatever his name was.

Cheers

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2013, 04:28:23 pm »
If they are playing to sold out shows at nearly every place they go,  I think they must be doing something right. ;D I enjoyed reading Aaron's review of their Mystic Lake Casino concert.  I can't help it - I love them just the way they are.
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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2013, 07:52:58 pm »
LOL except they aren't selling out ANY venues and they're playing little casinos and theatre halls. Please dont do that.

I dont appreciate liars.

Cheers and best of luck

Tatjana

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2013, 10:42:36 pm »
And I don't appreciate people who give decent people nasty names.


Tatjana

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Re: What is a Foreigner ***Mininion***?? My conclusion!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2013, 11:40:46 pm »
My dear Foreigner friends and family..
Remember back in the day the loonies used to scream on the street corners to get attention?
Now we have the trolls, they are every where. And I am guilty of trying to make a joke of the ones on our board.
but all I am doing is giving them the attention they love. Even if it is people making fun of them. I will no longer
satisfy their sick perversions. I hope you will join me in ignoring them like we used to do to the screamers on the corner. We are a bunch of great people and lets enjoy this great band and our friendship.
Rock on !!!!

Luke

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2013, 04:10:13 am »
There will always be people who are literally looking for things and people they can put down and abuse. Those are the lonely ones shouting out for attention. Negative attention because they won't get any being positive.
Unfortunately we have some here on this board.

Would we, disagreeing with Mick's decision to keep this band going spread negativity here on this board? I doubt it. We would look for sites where we find people who are thinking the same way.

We got together to talk about this great band as it was yesterday AND as it is today. We enjoy going to shows, we made lots of friends ... I am ever so happy that we are on the sunny side of the street  ;D  ;D  ;D

@Luke - I think we all tried to ignore Owen & Co. for quite some time ... it's difficult at times ....